Post Wyświetl pojedynczy post autor: Hannibal » 08 maja 2024, 23:39
Hannibal
Post Wyświetl pojedynczy post autor: Bernabeu » 08 maja 2024, 23:43
Obaj, bo sygnalizacja bocznego nie oznacza gwizdka głównego (chyba). Ale chyba był spalony jednak, no jak z tej perspektywy jest na styk, to musieli być na ofsajdzie przedstawiciele bawarskiego walca.
No w porównaniu do klasycznego Realku męczącego bułę - to dzisiaj Real był dużo lepszy.
Bernabeu

Post Wyświetl pojedynczy post autor: Ilka » 08 maja 2024, 23:49
Dlatego jest to do przeżycia. Gorzej jakbyście cały czas męcząc bułę doszli do finału. Choć i tak bramki szczęśliwie w końcówce. No ale gratulacje
Ilka

Post Wyświetl pojedynczy post autor: czubatka » 08 maja 2024, 23:50
Czyli w tej sytuacji ani obaj mogli się wsztrzymać z gwizdkiem/flagą, ale nie musieli.Delaying the flag/whistle for an offence is only permissible in a very clear
attacking situation when a player is about to score a goal or has a clear run
into/towards the opponents’ penalty area
• If an assistant referee delays a flag for an offence, the assistant referee must
raise the flag if the attacking team scores a goal, is awarded a penalty kick,
free kick, corner kick or throw-in, or retains possession of the ball after the
initial attack has ended; in all other situations, the assistant referee should
decide whether or not to raise the flag, depending on the requirements of the
game
czubatka
Post Wyświetl pojedynczy post autor: Bernabeu » 08 maja 2024, 23:54
Bernabeu

Post Wyświetl pojedynczy post autor: Hersk » 08 maja 2024, 23:57
Hersk
Bernabeu

Post Wyświetl pojedynczy post autor: Hersk » 09 maja 2024, 0:11
Hersk
Chlopaczek
Conrado
Post Wyświetl pojedynczy post autor: HMK » 09 maja 2024, 0:35
HMK
Post Wyświetl pojedynczy post autor: Bernabeu » 09 maja 2024, 0:45
Tyle. Carvajal najmłodszy z tego grona i kuriozalnie to u niego może wyglądać za parę lat. Ale wiadomo, dortmundzki walec, a potem można dopiero będzie pisać takie rzeczy.
Bernabeu
Post Wyświetl pojedynczy post autor: moody » 09 maja 2024, 0:51
wychodzi na to, ze masz racje. myslalem ze glowny musi sie do decyzji bocznego zastosowac, a jednak sama sygnalizacja bocznego jeszcze nie wstrzymywala akcji i marciniak mogl, a w tak stykowej sytuacji nawet powinien ja olac
moody

Post Wyświetl pojedynczy post autor: Magnum » 09 maja 2024, 4:05
nasz ekspert na forum sędziowskim nawet uważa, że Marciniak sam wymusił zatrzymanie akcji, przy czym jednocześnie raczej bramka z tej akcji była mega mało prawdopodobna:
One insight, which I've yet to see anywhere, and a couple of thoughts:
First, this was Marciniak's decision to stop play, not his AR's. And I don't mean that in the pedantic Law 5 sense that a referee has ultimate authority. Watch the replay. Marciniak's whistle is at his mouth before the flag went up. You can actually see the AR in the foreground looking toward Marciniak with the flag not yet raised. What that means is that the AR was telling Marciniak over comms that he had offside position and, then, inolvement. Marciniak was then the one making the decision for when to activate that decision. I don't know what exact shorthand he would use (and certainly not in Polish), but essentially Marciniak quickly told the AR to put his flag up and then Marciniak whistled. It all happens so fast that it looks almost simultaneous. But referee is going before AR here. And AR definitely isn't going before referee. So just on the question of where blame lies if this was actually an irreversible error, it's with Marciniak. I point this out because I think a lot of commentary here is going to key in on the AR flagging too early. That's where my mind immediately went. But it's not what happened. Marciniak made the decision on when to stop play on his own.
Second additional thought is just on the idea that this did or did not stop a sure goal. I think @code1390 is right with "we'll never know." But the more I watch, the more I lean (somewhat strongly, at this point) to the idea that a goal was pretty unlikely without a whistle. Nacho (#6) pulls up before challenging Mueller and raises his arms in the universal "I'm stopping so I don't violently clatter you late" gesture. Mueller probably gets to the ball first anyway, but does he win it cleanly or can he get it to de Ligt without Nacho deflecting it? Possible bordering on probable, I'd say, but not definite. Then de Ligt shoots, but his mark (#3, Militao) pauses before challenging him and then sort of does the defensive statue rather than the extended leg; you've got to think, without a whistle, #3 is closer to de Ligt and trying harder to block the shot. And then there's Lunin, who makes almost no effort to stop the ball, which is pretty understandable given the whistle had gone at least a full 2 seconds before it crosses the goal line.
So you end up with three different components of this play, all after the whistle, all where the Real Madrid players did something different than they otherwise would have done. It's entirely possible that without a whistle, Mueller wins it cleanly, de Ligt gets the exact same shot off, and Lunin can't save it. But I don't think all three of those individual components are likely to have occurred in succession.
Magnum
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